May 28, 2003
Hebrew MX

I bet that in the Flash MX development team there is no one who speaks Hebrew. How do I come to this conclusion? Well, I'm currently trying create a Hebrew version of a site and you know what - I'm going through hell. You get the impression that no one at Macromedia has tried this before.

For those who don't know what's the big deal a short explanation: Hebrew as well as Arabic are written from right to left opposed to english or european languages that are written from left to right. This poses a challenge to computers because you need to use a special bidirectional algorithm in order to display these texts correctly. It get especially tricky if you mix leftright and rightleft phrases within a text.

Here is a demo (some nonsense text) to give you a little impression how mindboggling this is. Click inside the textfield and move the cursor around:

But now we add another level of difficulty to this scenario: Flash. At least since MX we can use Unicode, but that's about it. Everything beyond that like right-to-left textflow you'll have to do manually. And that's where the pain starts because something is really strange here. I've created a little demo to show you a surprising effect:


First issue: text 1 and 2 have exactly the same source. The only difference is that text 1 is non-embedded whereas text 2 is. On my browser 1 is a reverse version of 2. On yours too? I don't know if this is a browser or OS problem, so if on anyone's system the two texts are equal please leave a comment. If it behaves the same on all systems it's at least something one can rely on.

Second issue: select text 1. Uaaaaahhh. Do the letters on your browser also get jumbled? This is not an Actionscript trick I play here. This is something that either comes from the player itself or from the system. I don't know yet. BTW - select text 2 - everything is fine.

Currently that's as far as I have gotten. It looks like you will have to always embed the characters if you are using Hebrew or Arabic. In order to handle the general right-to-left problem I will probably go for a server-side solution. But of course an Actionscript implementation of the BiDi algorithm would be great. Anyone's interested?

[Addition]

So is it just my system if everybody sees it correct? Aaaarrgg! Here is a screenshot how the flash looks on my screen:

screenshot.gif
and this is a selected view:
screenshot2.gif

Posted at May 28, 2003 06:30 PM | Further reading
Comments

under opera 7 on win2k both examples work and display fine for me.

under IE on win2k, the first text box example cursor movement is screwy, but the flash version displays & selects fine...

Posted by: mike j on May 28, 2003 06:59 PM

Does "fine" mean that #1 and #2 show exactly the same letters?

Posted by: coma2mario on May 28, 2003 07:04 PM

Issue one and two don't happen on my system (WinXP Pro / IE 6.0). The first text is not written reversed and I can select the two texts without any funny stuff happening to the letters.

Interesting problem you're describing ... hope you find the problem!

Posted by: Peter Elst on May 28, 2003 07:22 PM

yup, they show exactly the same letters, and both select just fine....

Posted by: mike j on May 28, 2003 07:24 PM

Under IE 6, Win XP
Both look the same exactly. #2 is more blury, but that's all.

Posted by: stef on May 28, 2003 07:25 PM

No problems here, bro! (WinXP SP1, Flash 6.0.79.0, IE6)

Posted by: JesterXL on May 28, 2003 07:29 PM

I'm running IE 5.5 on WinNT 4.0, and both texts can be selected fine. They also show the same characters in the same order.

However, if you wanted to write - HEVRAT TRI-UMF - or something like that, which sounds like something meaningful, I see it left-to-right, not right-to-left (i.e., HEVRAT is the word on the left). The fey-sofit is the rightmost character, when it should be the leftmost, reading right-to-left. But maybe the text is not meant to be real.

Posted by: Jonathan Kaye on May 28, 2003 07:33 PM

Okay I have rebooted my system, checked it with Opera 7.11, IE6 and Mozilla 1.3.1 and I still see the same result on all browsers. So it must be something with my OS (which is XP SP1).

Thank you Jonathan for the explanation. The text comes from a Flash 5 site I did: http://www.triumph-international.co.il

Posted by: coma2mario on May 28, 2003 07:50 PM

You're right, while Unicode specifies character mapping, this is distinct from whether those letters are ordered left-to-right (most languages), right-to-left (Hebrew, Arabic, Urdu, Farsi), or up-to-down (Japanese). Text direction routines in software are dependent upon the operating system variant installed.

All in all, it's a difficult (yet achievable) task to achieve in an authoring application, yet is much more difficult when the rendering will be done later on unknown client machines. (Easier in FreeHand than the Flash Player, eg.)

I know that the Macromedia Flash Player doesn't attempt directional qualifiers yet... it has been under discussion, but we haven't been able to nail it.

If you're in Dreamweaver, then Ofir Ben Natan has crafted an extension which will reverse text, so that you can apparently display right-to-left without requiring anything special of the operating system... more info on Ofir's site and in a previous entry in my blog.

cu,
jd

Posted by: John Dowdell on May 28, 2003 07:53 PM

oops, URLs didn't come through:
Ofir: http://ofir.tayind.com/dw/
Me: http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/000844.cfm

jd

Posted by: John Dowdell on May 28, 2003 07:54 PM

wow, i'm really suprised to find someone not from israel that conserns about hebrew in flash.
there are many flash developers down here in Israel and this is offcourse our first item in the flash wishlist.
the best solution would be implementing the bidirectional algorithem in the flash player. trying to implement this algorithem in action script doesn't seems so doable due to the player weakness.
most of us use the server side solution, storing the text in the reverse state and then importing it to flash.
but it's not always enough. i've create some reverse-functions but they are not 100% accurate cause they don't follow the exact rules of the bidi-algorithem.
so it's a very big issue for the developers here and in all the countries which write from the right to the left.
I think macromedia can't say they support multi-languages untill they solve this issue...

cheers,
jhaniv.

Posted by: jhaniv on May 28, 2003 09:05 PM

Finally! I read it but I can't believe it. Someone in the 'outside' world (outside of Israel that is) has realized what we (Israeli Flash developers) have to go through every single day for the past few years.

This is the most problematic area of developing Flash apps/sites/movie in Hebrew and it's beyond me how some folks here say they see no problem since the its so basic and people are experiencing it on a daily basis. Perhaps they didn't quite understand the problem? Flash does not support RTL languages and does not allow embedding dynamic content - that's a fact.

I know for a fact that many times flash has to put aside when it comes to developing dynamic and complex sites because of its poor and limited support for RTL languages such as Hebrew. I have seen sa number of creative solutions both client and server side and non of them is 100% bullet proof and no one in his right mind would risk putting money into something so unstable.

I think there's also a discrimination issue as flash content is unaccessible and cannot be used by a whole population. Think about how would you feel if you tried to embed the word HELLO in a text field and no matter what you did you kept getting OLLEH..... it would drive you nuts, I guarentee it. What Macromedia is saying is "Flash wans't made to support Hebrew and other RTL languages" and all I'm asking is "why?".

PS

Welcome to the club Mario. Feel right at home :)

Posted by: Amir Dotan on May 28, 2003 09:11 PM

I don't think people see it correctly, they just see the same thing on both lines. For example, I see them in the same order, but they are BOTH reversed (I'll send you a screen shot).

On the positive side, nothing seems to change when I select the letters.

Posted by: Jonathan Kaye on May 29, 2003 01:54 AM

I'm using IE6 on XP and like I would expect the letters do change when I select them (option 1). I guess you have to read Hebrew to understand the effect. Might sound silly to some of you but after almost 4 years of Flash-Hebrew nightmares I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden it works for you people. Looks like you didn't quite get what to look for. I'm not sure I would if it was Japanese or Arabic.

Posted by: Amir Dotan on May 29, 2003 02:12 AM

Well, I don't think you need to know Hebrew to experience the issue. I get exactly the same effect Mario describes and documents.

WinXP SP1, Flash Player 6.0.79.0, IE6/NS7

Posted by: Oscar Trelles on May 29, 2003 04:07 AM

I'm gald to hear that Oscar. Started to think it was a region problem that affects only the Middle East or something... :) The real question is, do you guys think there's any chance Macromedia will ever address this issue? is it:
1. Something they know how to solve
2. Somethng they would want to solve

If the answer to 2 is 'NO mate' then aren't they saying 'RTL languages are OUT when it comes to Flash?". My fear is that as far as Macromedia is concerned there is no financial justification to invest in implementing the bidi-algorithm when you look at how many people actualy use it. I do hope I'm dead wrong and that there are other reasons like technical issues, but I would really appreciate if some official source would comment on this as it is such a huge part of our development work.

Posted by: Amir Dotan on May 29, 2003 09:15 AM

Both texts are the same on Win2000Pro & IE 6.0. Selecting #1 doesen't screw it up in any way.

Your blog is great, Mario.

Posted by: Niko on May 29, 2003 01:41 PM

Win98 IE 6.0 - Both texts look identical for me, and the text direction is the same as text box 2 in Mario's screengrab.

I guess that's wrong (i.e. back-to-front) for Hebrew readers?

Posted by: dAN on May 29, 2003 01:48 PM

Both are the same here, Win2000 Server IE 6.0.2800.1106, but I am confused as to whether they are displaying correctly or reversed. I hope MM addresses this issue. I'm sure they will if they can. :)

Posted by: Mark on May 29, 2003 03:06 PM

I just wanna see i see the text extactly like you (the first 1 is reveresd and the 2nd is correct) and when i select it, it gets jumbled ..
maybe it's cause i'm from israel (hebrew support on windows or something like that)
anyway - winXP IE 6 ...

Posted by: GPX on May 29, 2003 03:26 PM

I've just discovered what causes the different views at least under Windows XP: It's the support for bi-directional languages. If you go to the Control Panel: Regional Options under the tab "Languages" there is a checkbox "support for complex glyphs" (something like that, I have a german system, so it's got a different name). If that is checked you will see my version, if it is unchecked it will not change the flash content.

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on May 29, 2003 05:20 PM

That's true. We are all have to change that setting in order to view Hebrew correctly on the comp. I don't think a website can/should ask user to reset their control panel :) no matter what sort of user experience it has to offer.

Posted by: Amir Dotan on May 29, 2003 05:58 PM


This is how Mario's example looks on computer's which are set to display Hebrew the right way:
http://www.amirdotan.com/temp/shot1.jpg

This is what happens to the content when you start selecting it from right to left:
http://www.amirdotan.com/temp/select.jpg

Hope this helps illustrate the problem.... its much worse than it looks.

Posted by: Amir Dotan on May 29, 2003 06:08 PM

That's right, RTL support does rely on system-level routines which are not present in all operating systems, which is part of what makes it complicated for a distributed Player technology.

Some of the authoring apps do call upon those system-level RTL routines because you can figure that someone who buys the Hebrew version of FreeHand will have the Hebrew version of Windows installed too.

But if you make a SWF file you can't predict which operating system will read it... you can make some assumptions, sure, but you'd likely still have to do some version-detection and handling, and the problem gets bigger the more you look at it.

Like I said above, it's not impossible, but the actual difficulty is greater than it might appear.

jd/mm

Posted by: John Dowdell on May 30, 2003 06:45 PM

Both IE and Mozilla manage to get RTL right, under all Operating Systems (which they support) and regardless of Regional Settings. I expect Macromedia is able to achieve the same result as these products, by investing a few extra resources into the issue.

Posted by: dagon on May 30, 2003 11:15 PM

well jhon i'm not sure you're 100% right.
even if the opertaing system support hebrew (in this case) you will not be able to use embedded fonts.
I admire macromedia for starting the proccess of making flash a powerfull development enviroment, but for making it a real development enviroment you will need to add few things for the player.
bidirectional algorithem is one of them, all the major development languages uses this (Delphi, CBuilder, VB etc)
I know you are struggeling to make the player as small as you can and i think i have an idea of how you can add all these things without making the player bigger (if you're intrested to hear :) )

cheers.

Posted by: jhaniv on May 31, 2003 07:49 AM

jhaniv is right, the problem is in the both in the flash program and in the player.

John , what you say is that it is too complicated to deal with (?) ,or is it just not worth the effort for macromedia ?

I don't really understand you guys, there is a big group of developers that can't consider serious flash development in there local language and you come with no solution and we no real attempt to solve the problem.

Posted by: Yellow on May 31, 2003 09:51 AM

I can't tell you how happy I am to read this post, Mario. As other Hebrew Flash developers stated in their comments, Hebrew in flash requiers very intense code-gymnastics. It's high time MM addressed these issues.

As for your example: from my experiance, non-embeded fonts display hebrew correctly under win 2000 and up and display reversed under win ME and down. I'm not realy sure about macs.

One solution is to always embed the fonts for display and do the bidi alogrithm work server-side, but this doesn't help when it comes to text *input* - the input is screwy anyway you flip it, and there no real solution at the moment.

To John D. - I hope you keep following this thread and we'll see some progress in this field. I bet Hebrew users wouldn't mind downloading a few extra KB for froper Hebrew Flash content. Perhapps a seperate BIDI-Flash player is something to think about...?

Cheers,

Posted by: Elor Ilan on June 3, 2003 02:24 PM

An idea:

I don't know if anyone's tried this out, but this might work:

Make smart clip (or component in MX) that contains the parameter stringVal, so you can pass values to stringVal which effects the clip. The movieClip contains a dynamically created group of sub-movie clips, each containing a textfield with the character (something like this:)

for (x=0; x<stringVal.length; x++) {
charHolder.duplicateMovieClip("charHolder" + x, x);
_root["charHolder" + x].charText.text = stringVal.substr(x,1);
_root["charHolder" + x].charText.autoSize = "left";
_root["charHolder" + x]._x = tempX + charHolder._x;
tempX += _root["charHolder"]._width;
}

Just make sure the container movieClip for the text is horizontally flipped. When you're done, you'll have a movieClip written LTR, but the letters are backwards. All you have to do is horizontally flip the main movieClip, and presto, the letters are in the correct orientation, but now RTL.

Of course, this doesn't solve the problem of text selection.

Posted by: Matt on June 3, 2003 05:42 PM

Hi Matt,

Interesting idea. Would you develop a content-driven site based on a for loop? what about using English and Hebrew together? Please don't get me wrong, but when we consider the need to develop reliable sites we cannot put our trust in such a solution. Can you imagine having to display an article that way? why go trough all that and not just go for HTML where it's all fine and a developer doesn't have to dress up like McGyver.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to RTL support its Macromedia's responsibility to ensure its own product's quality, not ours. We buy the product as a tool to work with, not to fix. At the moment Flash cannot cater RTL languages and client-side solutions like the one you posted (and I thank for taking the time) aren't going to provide quality and reliable products. We have no choice sometimes but to use Flash only for the eye candy stuff. Its a damn shame and I hope you never have to experience the feeling of being discriminated by a technology the way I for one feel.

Posted by: Amir Dotan on June 3, 2003 09:31 PM

Hi, Im having the same crap!!! even in Photoshop this problem exisst... (fortunatly I have Photoshop 7 ME)....
Any way, My BIG PROBLEM is in Freehand MX, Couse in there I cant even see the Hebrew letters.... and it sucks... I cant find any thing online... plaese help me..
Thanks

Posted by: guy on June 17, 2003 09:27 PM

Well, perhaps a bit OT regarding this issue with Hebrew text rendering, but: in regard of MM statement, that "Flash fully supports Unicode", it's a shame, that we finally have a convenient way to *display* non latin-1 text in Flash, but text *input* is still s***ed up all the way!

One of the big hassle with flash 5 was its lack of crossplatform solution to displaying non-antialiased text. That is now fixed with Unicode support, at least for Roman alphabet.

Howewer, there is currently no way to input eg. Czech charaters into textfield in Flash on Macintosh (OS 9 & OS X). Try to make an input text field in MX, set the font to _sans, and then try to input some non latin-1 characters (Czech, Latvian, etc.) I can input German characters (sharp ss, umlaut etc) just fine, but no Czech, no Russian characters. (And now Hebrew characters as well...)

This is reallly a pain -- of course not comparable to problems of Hebrew developers (i feel for you), but a strong proof of assertion, that we should buy a world atlas for those kind folks at MM. A don't believe it's so hard a job to do Unicode support correctly and fully.

Karel

Posted by: karmi on July 13, 2003 12:40 PM

Hi

Also this is too late, I wanted to share with you guys, my experiments about RTL.

I think, in Hebrew, you have less problem than in Arabic and Persian which are complex script languages. I tried to solve the RTL problem. I didn't have time to expend on that but may be it help.

I tried to insert a Right-To-Left character (that is '\u200F') after each "." and " " characters. The result was that these characters appeared in the correct place when they were at the end of a line.

Now I think if we try to simulate the RTL engine by inserting this character after non-lotin alphabets like " / ? . , ; : ' " only when they are located after rtl charaters, they will be shown correctly.

Is that right or I'm completely wrong?

Behrang

Posted by: Behrang on July 20, 2003 12:07 PM

Behrang, did you test that with embedded text? I guess you cannot rely on any results that you get with non-embedded text, as the rendering is then done by the browser. And this will then not work consistent on every machine.

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on July 20, 2003 02:34 PM

You're right. I don't think I had tested that. It was a long time ago, just after macromedia released Flash MX. I found some interesting things then. For example, I can remember that I placed a text box on the stage, and entered some persian text in it. Then I set the font to something like Tahoma (which contains persian characters) and in authoring and in the player, I could see wrong text. Then I changed the font to one of my persian fonts (which contains only persian characters) and in the authoring environment, It showed correctly but without attaching characters (as should persian and arabic characters attach), but still wrong text in the player. Then immediately I changed that persian font back to tahoma, the result was that in the authoring, there was wrong text and in the player it showed correctly!!! (I forgot to say that the text box was static, and the use device font was checked).

I hoped you understand my experience. I mean when I set the font to tahoma, both environments were wrong, when I changed the font to a persian font it was a little right in the authoring, and when I changed back the font to Tahoma, itext in the player was correct but still wring in the authoring.

What is your opinin?! I still can do this. It's posiible!!!

Behrang

Posted by: Behrang on July 20, 2003 09:22 PM

under windows 98 and IE 6 it displays fine on both fields, whether selected or unselected.

Posted by: sgd on July 23, 2003 01:33 AM

Thanks, I saw that, too. But that is exactly the problem. If it would misbehave on all machines and OSes in the same way one could create an Actionscript solution to cope with it. But as it's different dependign on your system and you currently have no way of fdetecting this from within Flash you can only use embedded text and forget about using input fields.

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on July 23, 2003 11:09 AM

dear sir,
Its been really gr8 to go thru your web application full of information.
Sir i 've a problem to be solved urgently.
" Can we have arabic text used in Flash MX"
can i load Arabic based *.txt files in my flash file"

Awaiting for your supporting gesture

Yours student
hemchandra

Posted by: Hemchandra on July 24, 2003 11:09 AM

Dear hemchandra,

I never did a site in Arabic, but from my experiences with Hebrew I'd say yes and no. Flash is theoretically able to display arabic letters and load arabic unicdoe text, but I think with Arabic there are some special rules of how letters are ligated depending on where they are located within a word - correct me if I'm wrong - and I doubt that Flash is able to handle these specialties. Then, as you can see in this article right-to-left text handling does not work correctly which means that you will have to build your own routine.

One option you should consider is to get the new Contribute 2 which includes FlashPaper. That is a virtual printer driver that allows you to create flash files from any doument/application that allows you to print. With FlashPaper you could simply use Word or whatever text editor you have at hand to create your texts. Then you load these swf files into your regular templates. This will not solve problems with input fields - you better use an HTML popup window for those.

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on July 24, 2003 11:21 AM

I can not type lang farsi in dreamweaver MX
I have program to type farsi and I have win2k pro
that to change arabic (farsi) but dreamweaver MX
program can not type fari
PLEASE HELP ME

Posted by: saba on August 2, 2003 10:18 AM

A quick question: Is that first demo input field in this blog in Flash or HTML? If its in Flash: how does it work? I have yet to be able to create an input field that will accept non_roman Unicode. The one above not only accpeted Hebrew, it took Urdu, Cyrillic and Arabic.


Oh please tell me it was Flash...

Posted by: Joaquin Terrones on August 7, 2003 07:54 PM

Both #1 and #2 are identical and behave properly on my windows 2000 professional / IE6.0 system

Posted by: satish sangaru on October 14, 2003 08:22 PM

well, its like walking in a silent darkness and finding a door that leads to a room full of people.

the one thing i can say, is that saying that MX supports RTL text dynamic content is like saying that israel lives in peace with its neighbours.
i came across this problem in my latest project and after days of banging heads on walls,
i came up with combined solution of embedding and typing the code/db data in reverse (using utills like easyHeb).

my real problem was with older machines. without embed, the text was ok in most new machines,
but i found that older machines (95,98(not SE), IE before 5.5 - that old machine in the corner with a 14 inch monitor we never use) had it all wrong.
any that was only the first problem in the way, because solving that one, as always lead to the creation of many others and so on.

at this point, i still have design problems caused by the embed, but luckely i can live with them.

so i hope -> Flash.MX[next version].RTL = true,
MX will have the most welcomed multi language support in the next version,
and israel will live peacfully and respectfully with its neighbours and the whole world. amen.

Posted by: Ady on October 23, 2003 12:49 PM

Please, How can i type Arabic Text in Flash MX

THANK YOU

Posted by: Mohamed Helmy on December 11, 2003 07:25 AM

hi,

i'm looking information about flash and hebrew and after reading your posts i'm totally down, i must translate a flash microsite to hebrew, microsite with combobox,.... :(

anyone know something about components in hebrew? combobox,...

thanx

Posted by: ugly-naked on December 16, 2003 11:09 AM

hi,

i've got a combobox that works right-to-left, if anyone is interested in it, please send me a mail & i'll send the fla file

bye

Posted by: ugly-naked on December 19, 2003 11:01 AM

This is what it looks like on this win98 SE and msie 6.02800.1106 .. right2left ;)

Posted by: Chief on February 8, 2004 10:20 PM

Mario,

I feel your pain! This is such a pain!

Especially when I am looking for an i18n solution for standardizing my development.

Have you contacted Macromedia about this problem? What do they say?

BTW - when I look at the example you show appear differently on your system they both appear the same on my IE6.0 browser. Any other info you need?

The Flash engineers I work with are likewise stumped. They have offered all sorts of workarounds but none are elegent and they all end up with all types of transformation issues in Active Script.

Posted by: Bill Walle on February 12, 2004 10:11 AM

Unreal. What a nightmare! I can display hebrew characters... but how about user input? NO WAY! No text box seems to understand hebrew!

Anyone have a solution to this?!?

Posted by: David W. on February 12, 2004 12:29 PM

Not too sure which parts of this issue have been resolved. I've found that it is possible to display arabic text on an English operating system, once the 'Control Panel' adjustments have been made as stated above. If you use unicode, a device font like _sans for the text box and bring the text in using XML, it works well (not perfectly). However, on arabic machines, the text doesn't display correctly.

Posted by: William on February 16, 2004 03:22 PM

Hi to everyone!
Can somebody explain how I write in hebrew in Flash MX.
It seems like my pc doesn't even realize I have hebrew. Whenever I write in photoshop or in flash it enters " ??? " symbols. Can't find solution.
I installed EasyHeb , but I see its interface in same "???" symbols.

P.S. I see in Opera 1 written ok ( trying to select is problematic ), 2 written in reverse.

Posted by: polina on April 20, 2004 10:39 PM

RTL support is a MUST if Macromedia wants to be taken seriously as a contender in the web application/browser market. My company creates multilingual content and the only reason why we resist using Flash on a larger scale is missing support for bidi Unicode. I hope Macromedia is following this blog...

Posted by: Johannes on June 24, 2004 09:46 AM

MX 2004 is supposed to have a better unicode integration.... I say "supposed", because i was not able to integrate arabic texts from xml files in my animation, after weeks of various tests. Having no knowledge in arabic language, and a western latin OS, hasn't helped either...

Posted by: Rod on July 26, 2004 12:16 PM

hi , im having problems writing hebrew in flash textbox , its comes up as ??? , how can i resolve this problem ?

Posted by: lior on July 28, 2004 01:46 PM

hi, first time i HAD to develop a hewbraw site, and after i read to blog and went to Ofir Ben Natan URL- which is not working, I still don't know how can i develop the site, is dreamweaver is RTL by now at 2004??? thanks, (-;

Posted by: Anat on September 4, 2004 09:34 AM

don't know if anyone have said it yet.
But to be able to se the text (#1 & #2) diffrent you have to install RTL language pack for windows.

This explorer schould be able to help you with.

Posted by: Bäcker on November 4, 2004 04:16 PM

Hello there, I understand your frustration.

For Hebrew/Arabic text there is a special font, called the X-font, which is a simple Hebrew font that has been mirrored - when you mirror it again you can type normally from right to left. You CANNOT include both numbers/English and Hebrew, hence you need to group the text, but that's the easiest way to solve the problem.

You can email me, and I will gladly send you the fonts.

Availor@msnDOTcom

Posted by: Availor on April 12, 2005 11:17 AM

Hi Availor - very interesting indeed, because that's exactly the technique I used for the hebrew version of the Triumph site - only I had to create the font myself with Fontographer...

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on April 12, 2005 11:20 AM

me too, I have that problem..

Posted by: fares on May 23, 2005 11:07 AM

I am using firefox and it displays fine.

Posted by: Cevius on June 2, 2005 04:32 AM

I have the same problem as you, and I am watching it in IE 6 and firefox... I see both displayed with the same orientation.

Posted by: Lenore on June 13, 2005 08:58 PM

Check out this new RTL component for Flash:
http://www.quasimondo.com/archives/000559.php

Posted by: Mario Klingemann on September 6, 2005 03:26 PM

I must admit that for all of you who are having problems integrating a Hebrew text into flash Macromedia or other American or English softwares, it's truly quite disappointing. These so Called "Serious Software Companies" did not hear about Hebrew and Arabic Languages nor they making any effort for improvement or upgrading. this is not only Flash problem, but many others too. they are just do not aware for the potential in the israeli market. it's forcing me to do my movies in powerpoint presentations and then convert it to flash to be integrated into my site. I understand your Frustration. my best Suggestion for you at this time is not to spend your precious money on their software if it's no use for Hebrew Language.

Posted by: Assaf on December 10, 2005 06:00 AM
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not Klingelmann, Klingeman, Klingaman, Kingemann,
Kindermann, Killingaman, Klingman, Klingmann, Klingonman
Klingemman, Cleangerman, Klingerman or Kleangerman

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